{news} news} A candidate??*** US House candidate inConn.'s5thDistrictargues for impeachment
Clifford Thornton
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Sun Sep 23 12:29:35 EDT 2007
I myself agree with Allen's approach.
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Mike,
I think your comments are right on.
The question of who to endorse cuts right to the core of some of the difficulties of Green Party politics. I see two issues here.
First, should our candidates first have to prove their mettle by paying their dues as Green Party activists, or should we welcome those who have proven themselves as activists outside the party in their chosen issue area?
I feel that we should encourage and welcome issue activists into the party as members and, if they are interested in running, as candidates.
Once having established the legitimacy, in principle, of outside activists joining our party to run for electoral office, we then come to the second question. Are their views close enough to Green Party key values?
In my opinion this is where the discussion properly belongs. It can also be a difficult question.
We are not, and don't want to be, a totally autocratic party with a strict party line. We want to have room for a wide range of diversity. Each of us, however, has our own benchmark for what kind of diversity is acceptible. I would not be able, for example, to endorse a candidate who approved of US premptive wars of conquest. There are other issues where I might look the other way if the candidate was solid on most of our (my) issues.
But we all have our own priorities of what may or may not be acceptible. This is where the discussion should take place.
I would be very disappointed if, instead, we accept or reject a potential candidate purely on the basis of whether he came from inside or outside the party.
Allan
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Subject: RE: {news} A candidate??*** US House candidate inConn.'s5thDistrictargues for impeachment
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 01:03:43 -0400
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Amy:
He just contacted us. I will encourage him to come to one of our SCC
meetings to express his opinions and take questions.
No one has made any commitments to him. This nomination is his to win or
lose.
He may or not be the person we want to represent us. He called Ralph Nader,
Me, and ran into Richard Duffee because both of them are doing great work
around impeachment. I don't know everything about his politics. We have
Lots of time to ask lots of questions. 80% of the country may be against
the war but they all have different reasons for opposing the war. Some want
to get out because we are losing and some of us are opposed to the empire
and wars.
I think we have to set up a procedure by which we can objectively evaluate
candidates. Perhaps you should come up with some of these criteria so that
we can fairly and accurately support the best candidates.
I think it is a good sign that all these folks are coming forward and we
have to make sure that we have ballot access for the candidates that we end
up supporting.
I hope this will help. If you have any other questions please contact me or
Richard Duffee. This is a long process but I think it will get easier as
we develop a process that everyone feels comfortable with.
Sincerely,
Mike DeRosa
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These are my exact questions and more, Where did hre come from is he an I or
R and just a Libertarian?What does he do, who is funding him. 80% are
against the war we need FAR more then this because the CTGP name is at
stake here, Why didn't he come top us or know about us? Amy
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>Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:36:10 -0700 (PDT)
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>Am I missing something? Is there a reason that we would want this person to
>run as a Green Party candidate? Does anybody know anything about him other
>than he opposes the war?
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>-Colin
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> Sounds to me like an excellent candidate. Go for it.
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>From: Tim McKee <timmckee at sbcglobal.net>
>Subject: Fwd: FW: [usgp-dx] US House candidate in Conn.'s 5th District
>argues for impeachment
>To: greenpartyct at yahoo.com
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>Greg Gerritt <gerritt at mindspring.com> wrote: Date:
>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:46:25 -0400
>Subject: FW: [usgp-dx] US House candidate in Conn.'s 5th District
>argues
>for impeachment
>From: Greg Gerritt <gerritt at mindspring.com>
>To: Tim McKee <timmckee at sbcglobal.net>
>
>How hard are y'all working to recruit him? Anything I can do in my
>role as
>chair of CCC? greg
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>From: Scott McLarty
>Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:31:57 -0700 (PDT)
>To:
>Subject: [usgp-dx] US House candidate in Conn.'s 5th District argues
>for
>impeachment (fwd)
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>The author of the essay below, Harold Burbank
>, is currently running as an
>independent for the US House in Connecticut's 5th
>district in the 2008 election. He's seeking
>Green Party support, and there's some chance he
>might decide to run as a Green, perhaps if he
>gets encouragement to do so from Green Party
>members. -- Scott
>
>
>Why Won't Chris Murphy Defend and Save Our
>Constitution By Impeaching George W. Bush?
>
>I attended Congressman Murphy's September 13,
>2007 town hall meeting in New Britain to ask him
>why, given his attorney and congressional oaths
>to uphold and defend the US Constitution against
>all enemies, foreign and domestic, he would not
>do so by moving to impeach an admittedly criminal
>administration which savages our Founding Fathers
>constitutional design every day; the most obvious
>examples of which are the lies and half truths
>spewed to maintain the Iraq and Afghanistan wars
>of occupation.Congressman Murphy not only failed
>to answer my question - he never once used the
>word "oath" - but his attempt to obscure his
>plain refusal to uphold his oath, with a
>meandering pitch about rebuilding and fixing the
>Constitution with legislation, was insulting.
>Responsible congressmen cannot avoid the Bush
>administration's obscene assault on our
>fundamental law, our Constitution, on which all
>other US law depends, by considering it like a
>junk car. The Constitution was not intended to be
>"rebuilt", but as the unshakeable foundation of a
>democratic and free Republic. It was clear to me
>that Congressman Murphy either does not think he
>can protect and defend the Constitution, which
>his Connecticut law license and congressional
>oath demand, or he does not want to. In either
>case, we are all at risk of losing our most
>sacred American birthright, our Constitution, to
>the most criminal administration in US history,
>and to congressmen who can, but will not for
>their own reasons, save our Constitution for "We,
>The People..."
>
>The current unprecedented level of threat to our
>Constitution was not unforeseen by our
>forefathers, who as most school children know
>wisely formulated a system of checks and balances
>between the executive, legislative and judicial
>government branches to prevent any one of them
>from having the power to destroy the Constitution
>and the Republic for which it stands. Our
>Founders knew despots would attempt to seize
>excessive governmental power, so the Constitution
>provides the House of Representatives - the
>people's' house - the remedy of initiating
>impeachment for any official overreaching their
>constitutional powers.
>
>Congressman Murphy agreed with me that the Bush
>administration has overreached. But, because he
>thinks new laws can "repair" the Constitution, he
>will not impeach the administration for
>destroying it. Indeed, save for 20 co-sponsors of
>Congressman Dennis Kucinich's House Resolution
>333 to impeach Vice President Richard Cheney, the
>entire House, and its Speaker, Nancy Pelosi,
>refuse to consider impeachment, arguing that they
>have a "plan" for the Constitution's safekeeping
>superior in wisdom to that of our Founding
>Fathers - arguably the wisest men ever assembled
>for free government. The Pelosi "plan" is pure
>self-interested arrogance to get a Democrat
>elected to the 2008 presidency. For this she will
>gladly risk our Republic by granting a free pass
>to administrative evil - no investigation,
>disclosure and prosecution of our constitutional
>crisis - in return for the veneer of
>constitutional normalcy. Bush's and Pelosi's
>Tammany Hall era attitude of "What is the
>Constitution among friends?", is in plain view.
>What are patriotic Americans to do when faced
>with government so corrupt that it will not
>defend the Constitution by impeachment?
>
>As our revolutionary Founders did, Connecticut
>citizens must stand up to bullies and cowards who
>would enslave them, their country and their
>planet for the profit, greed and power. They must
>organize their friends and neighbors. They must
>petition and protest, and they must find new
>candidates for public office, especially the US
>House, who will protect them, as the Founders
>intended under our Constitution.
>
>As one speaker, a lawyer, eloquently put it in
>New Britain, the Constitution is being destroyed
>before our eyes by private US and others
>interests who prefer American empire, in Iraq and
>worldwide, to American constitutional democracy.
>This empire is destroying our Republic, and only
>our Congress can save it without, perhaps, a
>second American Revolution. The constitutional
>mechanism to thwart greed and imperial war by a
>president is impeachment. It is the only legal,
>civilized power we have to check the madness
>before us, and it depends on our US House of
>Representatives for its initiation.It is clear
>that Congressman Murphy does want to risk taking
>on the Bush administration to save the
>Constitution. He is satisfied with, and expects
>you and me to accept, an unrecognizable
>Constitution and Republic. Mr. Murphy said it was
>more important to work with a dysfunctional
>Congress than to pursue constitutional democracy.
>His answers avoided the central questions of harm
>to the Constitution itself. You do not have a
>constitutional democracy if you must revive its
>founding fundamental law. You have government
>with no foundation at all. Those like me who
>cherish the Constitution consider such thinking
>treasonous. Mr. Murphy and the Congress have no
>right to ignore damage to the Constitution, nor
>to deny us its fundamental protections against an
>imperial presidency.
>
>I implore all readers to search their minds and
>hearts on these matters. Constitutional democracy
>is not a partisan issue. Your children and their
>children may soon realize that unless we get
>Congress to impeach, we will have failed to
>protect and defend our free society. Congressman
>Murphy has admitted that he will not protect and
>defend the Constitution from tyrants and
>criminals, foreign and domestic. Accordingly,
>beginning now, I will run a campaign against him
>for his 5th congressional seat in the 2008
>election, and I ask 5th district voters to please
>consider supporting my (independent) candidacy
>today, based on a commitment to seek impeachment
>of executives who fail to end the wars in Iraq
>and Afghanistan, and pledge no war in Iran,
>Syria, and regional states. I will consider
>withdrawing my candidacy if Congressman Murphy
>immediately files bills of impeachment against GW
>Bush, Richard Cheney and Condoleeza Rice, but I
>do not expect him to do so. I asked him about it
>publicly, and he declined.
>
>All impeachment supporters should try to find
>candidates in their congressional districts who
>will run for Congress, starting now, against any
>incumbents who will not file or support articles
>of impeachment immediately to end the wars. I
>would welcome challenges from other candidates in
>the 5th District who would run pro-impeachment
>campaigns (Libertarians, others), and may the
>best candidate win. We have only our Constitution
>and democratic republic to lose if we do not put
>ourselves to these time-proven tests of American
>liberty. END
>
>
>PRESS RELEASE:
>
>Independent Harold H. Burbank, II of Canton,
>Connecticut has announced that he will challenge
>incumbent Democratic Congressman Chris Murphy for
>his 5th District US House Seat in the 2008
>election beginning immediately and run primarily
>on the issue of impeaching the Bush
>administration for lying America into its current
>wars. Burbank, a Canton attorney with an
>international law background, began his campaign
>in reponse to a challenge from his colleague Dr.
>Francis A. Boyle, a renowned international human
>rights scholar, teacher and lawyer at the
>University of Illinois School of Law, who has
>lectured throughout the world that unless the
>damage done to our Constitution by the Bush
>administration is fully restored by the
>impeachment process, the country will devolve
>into World War III.
>
>"It is time to stop kidding ourselves about the
>necessity of impeaching this administration so we
>can end these illegal wars of aggression, get our
>troops home safely, save our treasury, avoid new
>wars, and defend our Constitution," Burbank said.
>"Chris Murphy refuses to do this. He will not
>support Dennis Kucinich's House Resolution 333 to
>impeach Richard Cheney and he will not introduce
>his own articles. I promise that upon election I
>will introduce impeachment articles against any
>executive officer who refuses to end the Iraq and
>Afghanistan wars begun under President Bush,
>refuses to end all US military involvement there,
>and refuses to end funding for any vestige of
>these illegal and immoral occupations. The
>arguments for continuing them are false, do not
>serve the interests of average Americans, and
>threaten our children's futures with unending
>war."
>
>Burbank's campaign has been endorsed by Dr.
>Francis Boyle in a national radio interview, and
>by Dr. Robert Bowman, director of the Star Wars
>Program during the Reagan administration. Burbank
>may be contacted about his campaign at
>hburbankii at att.net
>
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