{news} Re: CTGP-news Digest, Vol 50, Issue 19
RALPH FERRUCCI
ralphferrucci at sbcglobal.net
Wed Sep 17 10:31:00 EDT 2008
Running candidate for CFL party will legitimate the party which plans
to run a candidate for US Senate in the future so they can hold the
ballot line to run against Lieberman in his own party forcing Lieberman
to either run as a different 3rd party, run as a Republican or file a
lawsuit to try to regain the party name again.
Ithink this is brilliant.
Ralph Ferrucci
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1. Re: (hartford cournat)"A Lieberman Politcal Party That
Opposes Lieberman" (David Bedell)
2. RE: (hartford cournat)"A Lieberman Politcal Party That
Opposes Lieberman" (Ken Humphrey)
3. CT Post: Shays avoiding debates (David Bedell)
4. Hartford Courant: Larson avoiding debates? (David Bedell)
5. (NEWS RELEASE) Greens ask Larson -why no debates? (Tim McKee)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:08:34 -0400
From: "David Bedell" <dbedellgreen at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: {news} (hartford cournat)"A Lieberman Politcal Party That
Opposes Lieberman"
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I would leave the the CFL Party alone to figure out their own strategy. If
they just want ballot access, certainly they could change their name, or
merge with the Independent Party. But it looks like they are hoping to
spoil Lieberman's campaign if he runs again. Yes, some voters (there's
no
way to know how many) will be misled into voting for the CFL candidate
instead of Lieberman. In fact, they could really spoil Lieberman if they
found someone with the same or similar name to run against him. This would
be devious, but legal.
There was a recent case where a candidate (I think it was a Green candidate
but I'm not sure) deliberately ran against a conservative incumbent solely
because they shared the same last name. The conservative tried to get him
off the ballot, but the state ruled that the challenger had every right to
run, and the two candidates were clearly enough distinguished on the ballot
by their different first names.
I suggested, half in jest but half seriously, that Ralph Ferrucci should run
against the incumbent New Haven Registrar of Voters Sharon Ferrucci. Is
this unethical? Perhaps no more so than nominating Sarah Palin for VP in
hopes of winning over Hillary Clinton supporters (they both wear lipstick;
therefore voters will be confused).
David Bedell
----- Original Message -----
Subject: {news} (hartford cournat)"A Lieberman Politcal Party That Opposes
Lieberman"
From: Tim McKee timmckee at mail.com
Date: Tue Sep 16 06:35:33 PDT 2008
I generated this story after i found these guys on the Sec of state's web
site.
What do people think about this?
i think we should also say that it kinda of misleading to the public to
run under banner while opposing the same man. Will some vote for these
guys NOT knowing they are against Lieberman?
Should we issue a press release calling for them to change their name?
Leave them alone and hope it goes away?
courant.com/news/politics/hc-joeparty0916.artsep16,0,5483457.story
Courant.com
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A Lieberman Political Party That Opposes Lieberman
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By MARK PAZNIOKAS | Courant Staff Writer
September 16, 2008
Even casual observers know that Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut
has invested significant time and political capital in electing John
McCain president.
So, it only follows that the Connecticut for Lieberman Party would be
squarely for McCain, right?
Wrong.
It's not even for Lieberman.
Not any more.
Confused?
Welcome to the world of third-party politics.
Led by John Mertens, a Trinity College engineering professor with a
passion for independent politics and a disdain for Joe Lieberman, a few
dozen voters have resurrected the senator's old ballot line.
After losing the Democratic primary in 2006, Lieberman ran for
re-election as a petitioning candidate. To get his own ballot line,
Lieberman took the initial steps to create a new party, Connecticut for
Lieberman.
But he abandoned the name and the embryonic party as soon as he won.
John Orman, a Fairfield University political science professor and
Lieberman critic, tweaked Lieberman by holding party functions under the
Connecticut for Lieberman banner.
"I followed John Orman's antics. I thought it was quite amusing,"
Mertens
said. "Then it hit me - Connecticut for Lieberman has ballot access."
Ballot access is everything in third-party politics.
Mertens tried to run for U.S. Senate in 2006 as a candidate of the
Independent Party, but elections officials refused to give him ballot
access, saying that the existence of two local Independent parties
rendered the name unusable for statewide office.
(State officials say there now is only one Independent Party, and it can
have statewide access.)
Mertens contacted Orman and proposed using Connecticut for Lieberman as a
real political party. Orman agreed, on the condition that Mertens become
chairman and take over the effort.
As the marketers would say, Mertens has "re-purposed" the old brand
into
an anti-Lieberman vehicle that is running a half-dozen candidates for
state legislature this year and has endorsed Barack Obama for president.
Five of the six candidates have Trinity connections. The sixth, Robert
Adkins of Waterbury, is an Independent Party member cross-endorsed by
Connecticut for Lieberman, Mertens said.
Bryce Snarski-Pierce is a Trinity senior running in the 4th House
District, which includes the Trinity campus. Mertens is running in the
20th House District in the Elmwood section of West Hartford. Two others
are alumni and another is a former faculty member.
On its website, the party describes itself: "The CFL is an independent,
anti-war, anti-corruption, pro-fiscal responsibility, pro-democracy
party, that stands for individual liberties and real problem-solving in
government."
Mertens said that the party looks forward to endorsing a candidate for
U.S. Senate in 2010, when Christopher Dodd is up for re-election.
If Lieberman were to run again in 2012, the senator could look forward to
being opposed by a nominee of the Connecticut for Lieberman Party. A
spokesman said that Lieberman has no comment on the new direction of his
old brand.
Tim McKee, an activist with the Green Party, which also ran a candidate
against Lieberman in 2006, said that an anti-Lieberman party whose name
indicates support of Lieberman strikes him as a joke.
"We've been trying to build up respect for third parties. If this is
just
a prank, please cut it out," McKee said. "Only the political junkies
like
us are the ones who get the joke."
Mertens said he was surprised by McKee's reaction.
"This is not a prank," Mertens said. "It is a takeover. This
party has
real value."
Even if it was for Joe Lieberman before it was against him.
Contact Mark Pazniokas at mpazniokas at courant.com.
Copyright © 2008, The Hartford Courant
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Tim McKee, Manchester CT, main number cell-860-778-1304, 860-643-2282
National Commitee member of the Green Party of the United States and is a
spokesperson for the Green Party of CT.
BLOG-http://thebiggreenpicture.blogspot.com
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 22:31:00 +0000
From: Ken Humphrey <kumfry at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: {news} (hartford cournat)"A Lieberman Politcal Party That
Opposes Lieberman"
To: David Bedell <dbedellgreen at hotmail.com>
Cc: ctgp-news at ml.greens.org
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Lieberman has always been devious himself. He ran simultaneously for
his senate seat and for veep in 2000. And he took a second shot at his senate
seat in 2006 after he failed in the primary. What REALLY should happen is to
enact legislation that would enable us to recall or impeach Jingo Joe. He's
an embarrassment to Connecticut. As it is, we're stuck with this pompous
chickenhawk warmonger for over four more years. NO, I for one got a kick out of
the astute folks who took over Lieberman's opportunistic party and are using
it against him. Good for them. I don't agree with Tim KcKee on this one
little bit. Ken Humphrey> From: dbedellgreen at hotmail.com> To:
ctgp-news at ml.greens.org> Subject: Re: {news} (hartford cournat)"A
Lieberman Politcal Party That Opposes Lieberman"> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008
18:08:34 -0400> > Connecticut Green Party - Part of the GPUS>
http://www.ctgreens.org/ - http://www.greenpartyus.org/> > to unsubscribe
click here> mailto:ctgp-news-unsub
scribe at ml.greens.org> I would leave the the CFL Party alone to figure out
their own strategy. If> they just want ballot access, certainly they could
change their name, or> merge with the Independent Party. But it looks like
they are hoping to> spoil Lieberman's campaign if he runs again. Yes,
some voters (there's no> way to know how many) will be misled into voting
for the CFL candidate> instead of Lieberman. In fact, they could really
spoil Lieberman if they> found someone with the same or similar name to run
against him. This would> be devious, but legal.> > There was a recent
case where a candidate (I think it was a Green candidate> but I'm not
sure) deliberately ran against a conservative incumbent solely> because they
shared the same last name. The conservative tried to get him> off the
ballot, but the state ruled that the challenger had every right to> run, and
the two candidates were clearly enough distinguished on the ballot> by their
different first names.> > I
suggested, half in jest but half seriously, that Ralph Ferrucci should
run> against the incumbent New Haven Registrar of Voters Sharon Ferrucci.
Is> this unethical? Perhaps no more so than nominating Sarah Palin for VP
in> hopes of winning over Hillary Clinton supporters (they both wear
lipstick;> therefore voters will be confused).> > David Bedell> >
----- Original Message ----- > Subject: {news} (hartford cournat)"A
Lieberman Politcal Party That Opposes> Lieberman"> From: Tim McKee
timmckee at mail.com> Date: Tue Sep 16 06:35:33 PDT 2008> > I generated
this story after i found these guys on the Sec of state's web> site.>
> What do people think about this?> > i think we should also say that
it kinda of misleading to the public to> run under banner while opposing the
same man. Will some vote for these> guys NOT knowing they are against
Lieberman?> > Should we issue a press release calling for them to change
their name?> > Leave them alone and hope it goes away?> > courant
.com/news/politics/hc-joeparty0916.artsep16,0,5483457.story> > > >
Courant.com> ===========> > > A Lieberman Political Party That
Opposes Lieberman> -------------------------------------------------->
> By MARK PAZNIOKAS | Courant Staff Writer> > September 16, 2008>
> Even casual observers know that Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut>
has invested significant time and political capital in electing John> McCain
president.> > So, it only follows that the Connecticut for Lieberman Party
would be> squarely for McCain, right?> > Wrong.> > It's not
even for Lieberman.> > Not any more.> > Confused?> > Welcome
to the world of third-party politics.> > Led by John Mertens, a Trinity
College engineering professor with a> passion for independent politics and a
disdain for Joe Lieberman, a few> dozen voters have resurrected the
senator's old ballot line.> > After losing the Democratic primary in
2006, Lieberman ran for> re-election as a petitioning candidate. To get his
own ballot l
ine,> Lieberman took the initial steps to create a new party, Connecticut
for> Lieberman.> > But he abandoned the name and the embryonic party as
soon as he won.> > John Orman, a Fairfield University political science
professor and> Lieberman critic, tweaked Lieberman by holding party functions
under the> Connecticut for Lieberman banner.> > "I followed John
Orman's antics. I thought it was quite amusing," Mertens> said.
"Then it hit me - Connecticut for Lieberman has ballot access.">
> Ballot access is everything in third-party politics.> > Mertens tried
to run for U.S. Senate in 2006 as a candidate of the> Independent Party, but
elections officials refused to give him ballot> access, saying that the
existence of two local Independent parties> rendered the name unusable for
statewide office.> > (State officials say there now is only one
Independent Party, and it can> have statewide access.)> > Mertens
contacted Orman and proposed using Connecticut for Lieberman as a> real p
olitical party. Orman agreed, on the condition that Mertens become>
chairman and take over the effort.> > As the marketers would say, Mertens
has "re-purposed" the old brand into> an anti-Lieberman vehicle
that is running a half-dozen candidates for> state legislature this year and
has endorsed Barack Obama for president.> > Five of the six candidates
have Trinity connections. The sixth, Robert> Adkins of Waterbury, is an
Independent Party member cross-endorsed by> Connecticut for Lieberman,
Mertens said.> > Bryce Snarski-Pierce is a Trinity senior running in the
4th House> District, which includes the Trinity campus. Mertens is running in
the> 20th House District in the Elmwood section of West Hartford. Two
others> are alumni and another is a former faculty member.> > On its
website, the party describes itself: "The CFL is an independent,>
anti-war, anti-corruption, pro-fiscal responsibility, pro-democracy> party,
that stands for individual liberties and real problem-solvin
g in> government."> > Mertens said that the party looks forward
to endorsing a candidate for> U.S. Senate in 2010, when Christopher Dodd is
up for re-election.> > If Lieberman were to run again in 2012, the senator
could look forward to> being opposed by a nominee of the Connecticut for
Lieberman Party. A> spokesman said that Lieberman has no comment on the new
direction of his> old brand.> > Tim McKee, an activist with the Green
Party, which also ran a candidate> against Lieberman in 2006, said that an
anti-Lieberman party whose name> indicates support of Lieberman strikes him
as a joke.> > "We've been trying to build up respect for third
parties. If this is just> a prank, please cut it out," McKee said.
"Only the political junkies like> us are the ones who get the
joke."> > Mertens said he was surprised by McKee's reaction.>
> "This is not a prank," Mertens said. "It is a takeover. This
party has> real value."> > Even if it was for Joe Lieberman before
it was against him.>
> Contact Mark Pazniokas at mpazniokas at courant.com.> > Copyright
© 2008, The Hartford Courant> > > >
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:55:08 -0400
From: "David Bedell" <dbedellgreen at hotmail.com>
Subject: {news} CT Post: Shays avoiding debates
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http://www.connpost.com/localnews/ci_10481547
Himes claims Shays avoiding debates
By KEN DIXON
Staff writer
Article Last Updated: 09/17/2008 12:59:10 AM EDT
Two challengers for the 4th Congressional District seat Tuesday charged that
veteran U.S. Rep. Christopher Shays was avoiding campaign debates.
A Shays spokesman countered by saying he expects as many as nine debates
will take place next month.
However, by Tuesday evening no debates had yet been scheduled for the seat
representing about 650,000 southwestern Connecticut residents.
Democrat Jim Himes of Greenwich and Green Party candidate Richard Duffee of
Stamford said that Shays, the only Republican member of Congress from New
England, was trying to run down the clock to Nov. 4.
Duffee also believes that Shays is undermining his attempt to participate in
campaign events because the incumbent is afraid to be linked with the
policies of the Bush administration.
In response, Shays' campaign spokesman, Mike Sohn, said that he anticipates
nine debates will be finalized by the end of this week.
"The facts speak for themselves," Sohn said in a phone interview.
"Two years ago we had 11 debates and the election before that there were
nine."
Later Tuesday, in a news release, the Shays campaign called the
challengers'
claims "ridiculous."
But Dana Houle, Himes' campaign manager, maintained Shays was
"hiding" from
Himes. "Chris Shays is the guy who parroted George Bush's claim that
'the
fundamentals of our economy are strong," Houle said.
Duffee, a retired lawyer, charged that Shays was stalling the League of
Women Voters on possible debate dates. The LWV on Tuesday was still not sure
when congressional debates would occur.
"He appears to be delaying," Duffee said in a phone interview, adding
that
he is concerned that Shays is working to keep him away from the debates
because of the charges he and other Green Party candidates have leveled
against the Bush administration.
The Green Party wants to impeach President Bush for violating the
Constitution.
Sohn said it's up to the various debate organizers to decide whether minor
and third-party candidates should be included in the events.
The Hamden-based LWV on Tuesday released a tentative list of debates,
including an Oct. 5 confrontation at Staples High School in Westport and an
Oct. 15 forum in Norwalk Community College.
Both events, however, were pending Shays' confirmation.
Sohn declined to detail why Shays, who joined Congress after a special
election in 1987, doesn't want to schedule any debates in September,
including one that had been set by the LWV for Sept. 25.
"We'll have a debate window from Oct.11 to the 20th," Sohn said.
"We were
not able to do Sept. 25. This is the window."
Paul S. Timpanelli, president and CEO of the Bridgeport Regional Business
Council, confirmed Tuesday that congressional candidates will appear
somewhere in Bridgeport for a debate on health care on Oct. 24.
He doubts whether Duffee will be invited.
"The answer is probably going to be 'no' because in the past, the
third-party candidate wasn't viable," Timpanelli said in a phone
interview.
"I haven't given it any thought at this point, but normally, in the
past, we
have made that decision based on our government-relations committee."
On Nov. 4, voters in the 4th District will have four candidates from whom to
choose. Himes will appear on both the Democratic and Working Families ballot
lines and Michael Anthony Carrano is the Libertarian candidate.
Statewide, there are about 2,151 Green Party members and about 1,147 members
of the Libertarian Party in Connecticut, according to the secretary of the
state.
In the 2006 election, Shays won with 106,510 votes compared to 99,450 for
Democrat Diane Farrell. Libertarian Philip Z. Maymin received 3,058 votes.
Green Party State Chairman S. Michael DeRosa said Tuesday that unlike 2006,
when the Greens fielded only one Congressional candidate, there are Green
candidates this year in each of the five districts.
DeRosa, in a phone interview, said he's not surprised that mainstream
politicians may try to keep Greens out of the debates.
"This has always been a problem," DeRosa said. "All parties are
equal in
Connecticut, but some are more equal than others." He described the
state's
publicly-supported election fund as the
"no-Democrat-or-Republican-left-behind" law while Connecticut
lawmakers made
it harder for minor parties and independents to gain public financing.
"We're on the ballot and we have a large number of supporters,"
DeRosa said.
"The two parties don't want us in the debates because we'll raise
issues
they don't want to talk about, like the economy falling around us, offshore
drilling and the war." DeRosa said that Duffee would add a necessary voice
to the BRBC's healthcare forum.
"He would raise the issue that we should be discussing around the nation
and
that's the single-payer system like Canada and every other industrialized,
civilized nation in the world has in one form or another," DeRosa said.
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 08:57:55 -0400
From: "David Bedell" <dbedellgreen at hotmail.com>
Subject: {news} Hartford Courant: Larson avoiding debates?
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http://blogs.courant.com/rick_green/2008/09/steve-fournier-joe-visconti-an.html
Steve Fournier, Joe Visconti and ... John Larson?
By Rick Green
on September 16, 2008 8:54 AM | Permalink | Comments (1)
Because the League of Women Voters isn't bothering with a debate or forum
in
the First Congressional District, I've asked the three candidates to join
me
for a cup of coffee and a little arguing.
"Anytime, anywhere,'' said Joseph Visconti, the Republican
nominee.
"I'm flexible," replied Steve Fournier, the Green Party
candidate.
No word yet from U.S. Rep. John Larson, the incumbent Democrat.
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:24:37 -0500
From: "Tim McKee" <timmckee at mail.com>
Subject: {news} (NEWS RELEASE) Greens ask Larson -why no debates?
To: "CT Greens News" <ctgp-news at ml.greens.org>
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GREEN PARTY OF CONNECTICUT
CONTACT: Steve Fournier, Green Party Candidate for Congress (860)794-6718Joe
Visconti -Republican candidate for Congress 860-989-8471 Tim McKee,
NATIONAL COMMITEE PERSON cell (860) 860-778-1304 (Best) or (860)-643-2282,
timmckee at mail.com Mike DeRosa, State Co-Chair (860)956-8170 or (860)
919-4042 (cell GREEN PARTY ASKS CONGRESSMAN LARSON AND LEAGUE OF WOMENS
VOTERS WHY THERE ARE NO DEBATES. Hartford, CT- With NO DEBATES in the
First District Congressional race scheduled, Green Party candidate Steve
Fournier and local party officers asking Congressman Larson and the
League of Women voters why not? Fournier who spent weeks collecting
thousands of signatures in the heat of the summer to get on the ballot as
a Green Party candidate and talking with local voters in the streets,
thinks there is a demand for debates with Larson and Republican
challenger Joe Visconti. Fournier called for:
1. A series of debates on television and radio stations, including
Spanish language stations.
2. All areas of the district, including college campuses, churches, and
senior centers
3. Inclusion of all three candidates in all the debates
4. Town hall formats for some of debates, so the public can be involved
with questions for the candidates.
Party officials have spoken with Republican Challenger Visconti who
agrees with the Fournier inclusion in all the debates and said there are
no scheduled debates at this time.
Tim McKee, a spokesperson for the Greens, said if Larson does not debate
or simply limits the debates to one or two low profile events, it would
be a disservice to public with so many important differences between the
three candidates. McKee added the League of Women Voters need to step up
and sponsor debates even if Larson won’t show up. He added “An empty
chair, if Larson does not show to debate, is a powerful statement to
voters, and right now, no debates hurts our democracy!”
#End of release#
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