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<font size="+2" face="Calibri"><i><b>February 24, 2023</b></i></font><font
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<font face="Calibri"><i>[ wise woman of considerable positivism ] </i></font><br>
<font face="Calibri"> </font> <font face="Calibri"><b>Hope Amid
Climate Chaos: A Conversation with Rebecca Solnit</b></font><br>
<font face="Calibri"> The writer and activist shares her thoughts on
the climate movement’s wins, the key difference between optimism
and hope, and the “clarifying” violence climate activists face.</font><br>
<font face="Calibri"> OPINION</font><br>
<font face="Calibri"> ANALYSIS</font><br>
<font face="Calibri"> By Stella Levantesion</font><br>
<font face="Calibri">Feb 21, 2023 </font><br>
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From throwing soup against paintings, to blocking roads, to striking
for the climate, to stopping private jets from taking off, activists
worldwide are pushing harder than ever for action to address global
warming. And they are delivering a clear and consistent message:
What has long been accepted as the status quo — expanding fossil
fuels, investing in polluting industries, oil and gas propaganda,
greenwashing, climate change denial, governmental delay in climate
action — is simply not acceptable anymore. The climate movement is
working incessantly to make this clear to everyone.<br>
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When we talk about any movement, including the push for climate
action, we’re talking about a “zeitgeist, a change in the air,”
writer, historian, and activist Rebecca Solnit writes in her
essay-turned-book Hope in the Dark, which focuses on the
intersection of activism, social change, and hope. It’s this last
element, hope, that can become “an electrifying force in the
present,” Solnit writes, “a sense that there might be a door at some
point, some way out of the problems of the present moment even
before it is found or followed.” <br>
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As activists and others work towards this door, they do so with the
belief that there is still time to act and that the climate is worth
fighting for. These same convictions are at the core of Solnit’s and
storyteller Thelma Young Lutunatabua’s most recent project, Not Too
Late, which offers perspectives, resources, and “good paths forward”
for those who care about the climate. The pair are also transforming
the project into a book, coming April 2023, with contributions by
activists, authors, experts, journalists, and others from around the
globe.<br>
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I published the first Gaslit column a year ago this month. To
celebrate its one-year anniversary, I wanted to depart from the
usual format to focus on the essential role of activism and hope in
combating the forces of delay and denial. I spoke with Solnit about
hope and the future of climate action in the face of intensifying
impacts from global warming, oil and gas industry propaganda and
greenwashing, violence against activists, and inaction by political
leaders. The following conversation has been edited for length and
clarity. <br>
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<b>Stella Levantesi </b>In Hope in the Dark you wrote that hope
requires imagination and clarity, and in your latest essay published
by the Guardian you said that every crisis is a storytelling crisis.
The Indian writer Amitav Ghosh also said that the climate crisis is
a cultural crisis, and thus a crisis of imagination. If we cannot
imagine it, tell it, be culturally immersed in it, how can we face
it? How do we reconcile these three dimensions: the climate crisis,
imagination, and hope? And if we succeed in reconciling them what
can that lead to?<br>
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<b>Rebecca Solnit</b> I always feel it’s very important to clear up
the distinction between hope and optimism. For me, optimism is a
form of certainty: everything will be fine, therefore, nothing is
required of us, which is really the same as cynicism and pessimism
and despair. Hope, for me, is just recognizing that the future is
being decided to some extent in the present, and what we do matters
because of that reality.<br>
<br>
I think the fundamental role of imagination and hope is just the
ability to imagine a world that’s different from what it is now.
[Writer] Adrienne Maree Brown once said that all organizing is
science fiction because you’re imagining something that doesn’t
exist yet. But of course, it’s like, what is it that you’re
imagining? I find that so many people around me are very good at
imagining everything falling apart, everything getting worse;
they’re good at dystopia, they’re bad at utopia. <br>
<br>
There’s a lot of reasons why people find dystopia very credible and
utopia or improvements hard to comprehend. I think some of that
comes from amnesia. If you don’t know how much the world has been
changed, to some extent for the better, how much the climate
movement has achieved, then you don’t really have a picture of how
change works either.<br>
<b>LEVANTESI </b>We imagine hope as something that has to do with
the future solely, but you’ve underscored it’s not just about the
future. What is the role of memory in hope? <br>
<br>
<b>SOLNIT </b>Various people, including the theologian Walter
Brueggemann and the climate activist and lawyer Julian Aguon, talk
about memory as crucial to hope. And I share their belief. If you
don’t understand the past, you don’t understand that people have
faced the end of their world. Things change powerfully and
profoundly over and over again — change is the one constant — and
then you can narrow in and focus on the fact that grassroots
movements, citizens organizations, NGOs, activists — people who are
often considered to be powerless, irrelevant, marginal — have
changed the world over and over again.<br>
<br>
<b>LEVANTESI </b>In Hope in the Dark you’ve emphasized how
activism can bring about change in a non-linear way, how sometimes
it is subtle and slow but how, within it, we must recognize the
importance of victories. What are the most significant victories of
today’s climate movement?<br>
<br>
<b>SOLNIT </b>I think the biggest one of all happened in the last
couple of years, but it’s a matter of consciousness rather than
legislation or divestment or one of the practical things we aim for:
We have captured the public imagination.<br>
<br>
Five years ago, 10 years ago, a lot of people weren’t worried about
the climate. They didn’t care about it, they didn’t think about it,
they didn’t see it as urgent, they weren’t engaged with it, nor were
they supportive of the need to pursue the solutions. That’s really
different now.<br>
<br>
There was surely a point where we were more or less starting from
nothing, but we’ve built strong movements, we’ve achieved a lot of
victories. The fossil fuel industry is very aware of our power and
is fighting it with everything they’ve got. A lot of energy
transitions are underway. The Paris [Agreement] is a huge victory.
And in our forthcoming book, Not Too Late, [we’re] changing the
climate story from despair to possibility. The divestment movement
has gotten [nearly] $41 trillion divested. <br>
<br>
Each thing I talk about has indirect consequences. The [fight
against the Keystone] XL pipeline educated so many of us, including
me, about the Alberta tar sands and the role of pipelines in the
fossil fuel industry and the volatility of pipelines as a pressure
point. The divestment movement helped a lot of people recognize this
particular form of complicity; a lot of us have [recognized] what
our money is doing, or what our church’s money or university’s money
or government’s money is doing. We also portrayed the fossil fuel
industry the way we portrayed apartheid regimes and other things as
morally reprehensible. <br>
<br>
You’re always making indirect change, even with the most direct
change you pursue — and sometimes direct change doesn’t yield
consequences. <br>
<br>
<b>LEVANTESI </b>Repression from governments and police today
against climate activists in movements such as Just Stop Oil in the
UK or “Last Generation” in Italy to some extent parallels the fossil
fuel industry’s lies, and the climate deniers and delayers targeting
activists through propaganda and attacks. What does this violence
say to you?<br>
<br>
<b>SOLNIT </b>The first takeaway that I think is really important
and often lost is this proves that they’re scared of us. They think
we’re powerful, they think we’re going to have an impact, because
they’re desperate to stop it. You don’t use violence unless you are
really concerned. Propaganda and lies haven’t been good enough. <br>
<br>
Violence, I think, is also very clarifying. That is, in a way,
almost easier to deal with than the other thing that’s happened —
decades of denying, trivializing the climate crisis, all the
greenwashing, the pretending that they are doing what the climate
requires. When it comes to a lot of fossil fuel–related entities and
beneficiaries of the industry, we see delay, distraction, false
promises, which are almost harder to fight than violence.<br>
<p> Environmentalists have been attacked [for a long time]. I once
read a lot of the book reviews of Silent Spring, Rachel Carson’s
1962 book, and to see the industry and the mansplainers and the
corporate shills attack her credibility, her right to speak, her
sanity, the facts of the situation, to see how many
environmentalists, particularly in the global south, have been
murdered for speaking up since Chico Mendes and Ken Saro-Wiwa in
the ’80s and ’90s, is to know [that] when there’s huge amounts of
money and power at stake, the game can be very dangerous — and it
always has been. <br>
</p>
<p><b>LEVANTESI </b>A common strategy of political leaders, as
well as the fossil fuel industry, is to deny the need for change,
sometimes by delaying it and stating that another world is
impossible, but sometimes, as you call it, by promoting “false
hope.” Can you tell us about how “false hope” works and whether it
involves the use of fear?</p>
<br>
<b>SOLNIT </b>On the one side, I think there’s what I call “naïve
hope” which is really optimism, the idea that things are going to be
fine, that it will all work out, et cetera. But “false hope” is
usually cynicism pursuing a corrupt agenda, because these people
don’t actually hope the solutions will work. They hope that you’ll
believe — the public will believe — these solutions will work. They
can’t imagine that the world could just be very, profoundly
different in day-to-day life — how we consume, what our values are.
False hopes to me are just marketing by people who are cynical. And
then you see people believing it.<br>
<br>
I was really frustrated when the nuclear fusion came out of Lawrence
Livermore [National Laboratory]. To see the mainstream media jump on
it, like, “We’re going to have this amazing new energy source” not
only gave people the false hope that fusion, which has been “just
around the corner” for decades, is now really, truly just around the
corner, but it also framed it as though to address the climate we
need a solution that doesn’t exist. [This] is stupid and dishonest
when we already have the solutions.<br>
<br>
<b>LEVANTESI </b>Change is often framed through sacrifice. This
idea that to stop fossil fuel production and transition to clean
energy is to renounce something, to sacrifice something — what’s
behind this? Has the fossil fuel industry succeeded in forcing the
perception that oil and gas are necessary to the way we live? Are we
unable to imagine a different world? What is it? And how can we
overcome it? <br>
<br>
<b>SOLNIT </b>I can’t speak globally, but I know that a lot of
comfortable people in the U.S. perceive most changes as loss. It’s
been fascinating looking at the recent controversies — of course
fueled by the [political] right and the fossil gas industry — over
gas stoves. They’re downplaying the real health hazards of having
methane inside your home, and they’re also downplaying how well
induction cooking works. And so many people are kind of like, “If we
change this thing, my life will get worse.” A lot of it is
propaganda, but there is also a lot of fear that change is always
loss. <br>
<br>
I also think the whole climate story, since the Al Gore era, has
been told as a kind of renunciation story and in fact, I am working
on a piece [about this] right now. What if we invert that? What if
we see all the ways our lives are poor now — poor in hope, poor in
social solidarity, poor in mental and emotional wellbeing and
confidence in the future, poor in social connectedness, poor in
relationship to nature. What if we imagine the abundance of doing
right the things we’ve done wrong, of a world in which [nearly] 9
million people a year don’t die from breathing fossil fuel
emissions, in which childhood asthma is not epidemic in the places
where fossil fuels are refined, in which the fossil fuel industry
doesn’t corrupt global politics. What if renunciation was in fact
renouncing poison, corruption, deprivation, uncertainty, a dismal
future, miserable health? <br>
<br>
<b>LEVANTESI </b>One of your chapters in Hope in the Dark is
called “Everything’s Coming Together While Everything Falls Apart,”
which is something activist and Fossil Free Media’s Director Jamie
Henn said to you during a conversation in 2014. Do you feel like
everything’s coming together while everything falls apart today? <br>
<br>
<b>SOLNIT </b>I do. It often feels like we’re in a race. Can the
things that are coming together — which, of course, for me would be
the positive things, the climate movement and the changes we’re
trying to make — outrun the negative things, which are both climate
change and its catastrophes and destruction? <br>
<br>
The forces trying to prevent the measures we need to address the
crisis have increased greatly. In 2014, people still talked about
climate change largely as something that was going to happen. Now
it’s so in the present tense and the climate movement has become so
much bigger, more powerful. It’s won a lot when you look at how much
progress there has been around legislation, the buildout of
renewables, and the technological breakthroughs. <br>
<br>
A lot of times you look at something and it doesn’t look better than
last week or sometimes last year. But you look at where we were 10
years or 40 years ago and you see a lot. The long trajectory is part
of what makes me hopeful. <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.altaonline.com/dispatches/a42955294/climate-change-interview-rebecca-solnit-stella-levantesi/">https://www.altaonline.com/dispatches/a42955294/climate-change-interview-rebecca-solnit-stella-levantesi/</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.desmog.com/2023/02/21/rebecca-solnit-interview-climate-crisis-activism-hope/">https://www.desmog.com/2023/02/21/rebecca-solnit-interview-climate-crisis-activism-hope/</a><br>
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<p><i>[ subtitled video clip from The Collapse - French video series
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<b>The Collapse</b><b><br>
</b>Just Collapse<br>
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A scientist and a minister go head to head on live television in
this extract from the breakthrough French series "Le'
Effrondement" (The Collapse), based on the academic discipline of
#collapsology.<br>
We collapse if we do, we collapse if we don't. Don't just collapse
- #JustCollapse.<br>
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<i>[ small clip with William Rees ]</i><br>
<b>Is this Collapse?</b><br>
Just Collapse<br>
1,000 views Jan 31, 2023<br>
In this two minute excerpt of a worthy conversation between two
highly respected minds, Bill asks the big question.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1iVJJleLak">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1iVJJleLak</a><br>
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<i>[ here's some Baba Brinkman -- rap artist video from 4 years ago
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<b>Confessions of a Skeptic – Baba Brinkman Music Video</b><br>
Baba Brinkman<br>
8.86K subscribers<br>
18,178 views Nov 3, 2018<br>
New album "See From Space" available now:<br>
Bandcamp: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://music.bababrinkman.com/album/">https://music.bababrinkman.com/album/</a>...<br>
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<i>[ his latest video posted 3 weeks ago ]</i><br>
<b>Can't Stop Remix (feat Mariella) – Baba Brinkman Music Video</b><br>
Baba Brinkman<br>
1,134 views Premiered Jan 31, 2023 #neuroscience #philosophy
#freewill<br>
Featuring world-renowned philosophers and scientists, "Free Will? A
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Version Without Lyrics:<br>
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Remix from the album "See From Space" (2019):<br>
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Original track from "The Rap Guide to Consciousness" (2018):<br>
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<i>[ video opinion from the Conversation - 37 min audio ]</i><br>
<b>After oil: the challenges and promise of getting the world off
fossil fuels</b><br>
The Conversation<br>
12.5K subscribers<br>
Feb 23, 2023<br>
Our dependence on fossil fuels is one of the biggest challenges to
overcome in the fight against climate change. But production and
consumption of fossil fuels is on the rise, and expected to peak
within the next decade. We speak to two researchers who examine the
political challenges of transitioning to a world after oil, and what
it means for those states who rely on oil for resources.<br>
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Featuring Caleb Wellum, Assistant Professor of U.S. History, at the
University of Toronto in Canada, and Natalie Koch, Professor of
Human Geography at the University of Heidelberg, in
Germany. <br>
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This episode of The Conversation Weekly was produced and written by
Mend Mariwany who is also the show's executive producer. Sound
design is by Eloise Stevens, and our theme music is by Neeta Sarl.
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For developing world to quit coal, rich countries must eliminate oil
and gas faster – new studyCOP27 flinched on phasing out ‘all fossil
fuels’. What’s next for the fight to keep them in the ground?Ending
the climate crisis has one simple solution: Stop using fossil fuels<br>
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<i>[ TED how to face the age of climate disruptive futures the
consequences of decarbonization. Any debate with physical reality
cannot be resolved with words. 18 min video ]</i><br>
<b>The Blind Spots of the Green Energy Transition | Olivia Lazard |
TED</b><br>
TED<br>
Aug 19, 2022 #TEDTalks #TEDCountdown #TED<br>
The world needs clean power, but decarbonization calls for a massive
increase in the mining and extraction of minerals like lithium,
graphite and cobalt. Environmental peacemaking expert Olivia Lazard
sheds light on the scramble for these precious mineral resources --
and how the countries that control their supply chains (including
China and Russia) could find themselves at the center of the new
global stage. Learn why Lazard thinks planetary security depends on
our ability to de-escalate resource competition and avoid the same
mistakes that led to the climate crisis.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za6dE5JrNB0">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za6dE5JrNB0</a><br>
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<font face="Calibri"> <font size="+2"><i><b>February 24, 2002</b></i></font>
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<font face="Calibri"> February 24, 2002: </font><br>
<font face="Calibri"> In the Denver Post, Bruce Smart of Republicans
for Environmental Protection rips President George W. Bush's
February 14, 2002 speech on climate change:</font><br>
<blockquote><font face="Calibri"> </font><font face="Calibri">"...President
Bush reaffirmed the nation's commitment to the U.N. Framework
Convention's 1992 goal 'to stabilize greenhouse gas
concentrations at a level that will prevent dangerous human
interference with the climate,' and he outlined an environmental
path for the nation to follow. A number of the specifics he
proposed, if forcefully pursued, can be helpful.</font><br>
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<font face="Calibri"> "But the medicine prescribed for the world's
greatest environmental threat—the malignant growth of
atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases—is only a
well-packaged placebo. It is no cure for global warming and the
hazardous changes in climate that a great majority of scientists
believe it is likely to cause."...</font><br>
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leader of innovative technology, it is our nation's responsibility
to lead n averting the climate threat the world faces. The time
for feel-good placebos for voters or candy for industrial
sweethearts is long past. The nation needs to give the Bush plan a
prompt reality check and push for our vibrant society to take up
this most important challenge.<br>
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