{news} Re: CTGP-news Digest, Vol 57, Issue 11

Mon Apr 13 18:38:15 EDT 2009

I wish we could stop using the word anti-semetic. Most people unkowning
use this word wrong. Palestinians are semites, European Jews and
American Jews are not.

Next Palestians and Jews both have the right to a homeland.

I am getting so tired of this bickering that I have stopped going to meetings and stopped participating in Green Party events.

The Green Party will cease to exist if everyone cannot come to an agreement on the Palestian/Isreal Conflict.

Keep in mind if you support Isreals right to exist and not Palestines
or Palestines right to exist and not Isreals then you are not a Green.

We need to figure out as a party how to deal with this once and for all before there is noone left in this party.

Ralph Ferrucci

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   1.  USGP-INT The making of a myth (Amy Vas Nunes)

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From: Amy Vas Nunes <amyvasnunes at hotmail.com>
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 This is also Anti Semitic  Amy

From: a.gronowicz at att.net
To: amyvasnunes at hotmail.com
Subject: RE: USGP-INT The making of a myth
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:19:15 +0000

How about the following?--Tony

Moses and Monotheism

>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Moses
and Monotheism is a book by Sigmund Freud. It was first published in
1939. In it, Freud hypothesizes that Moses was actually born into
Ancient Egyptian nobility and was perhaps a follower of Akhenaten, an
ancient Egyptian monotheist. The book consists of three parts and is an
extension of Freud's work on psychoanalytic theory as a means of
generating hypotheses about historical events. Freud had similarly
employed psychoanalytic theory to history in his much earlier work,
Totem and Taboo.
In Moses and Monotheism, Freud contradicts the
Biblical story of Moses with his own retelling of events claiming that
Moses only led his close followers into freedom and that they
subsequently killed Moses in rebellion either to his strong faith or to
circumcision. Freud explains that years after the murder of Moses, the
rebels formed a religion which promoted Moses as the Saviour of the
Israelites. Freud said that theguilt from the murder of Moses is
inherited through the generations; this guilt then drives the Jews to
religion to make them feel better.
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I find this Anti Semitic, Amy

From: a.gronowicz at att.net
To: usgp-int at gp-us.org
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 01:18:45 +0000
Subject: USGP-INT The making of a myth

Dr. SHLOMO ARGUES THAT THE IDEA OF A JEWISH NATION IS A MYTH INVENTED LITTLE MORE THAN A CENTURY AGO
By Jonathan Cook*

Dr. Shlomo argues that the idea of a Jewish nation is a myth invented little more than a century ago.

TEL
AVIV - No one is more surprised than Shlomo Sand that his latest
academic work has spent 19 weeks on Israel's bestseller list – and that
success has come to the history professor despite his book challenging
Israel's biggest taboo.

Dr Shlomo Sand argues that the idea of a
Jewish nation, whose need for a safe haven was originally used to
justify the founding of the state of Israel, is a myth invented little
more than a century ago. An expert on European history at Tel Aviv
University, Dr. Sand drew on extensive historical and archaeological
research to support not only this claim but several more, all equally
controversial. In addition, he argues that the Jews were never exiled
from the Holy Land, that most of today's Jews have no historical
connection to the land called Israel and that the only political
solution to the country's conflict with the Palestinians is to abolish
the Jewish state. The success of "When and How Was the Jewish People
Invented?" looks likely to be repeated around the world. A French
edition, launched last month, is selling so fast that it has already
had three print runs. Translations are under way into a dozen
languages, including Arabic and English. But he predicted a rough ride
from the pro-Israel lobby when the book is launched by his English
publisher, Verso, in theUnited States next year. In contrast, he said
Israelis had been, if not exactly supportive, at least curious about
his argument. Tom Segev, one of the country's leading journalists,
called the book "fascinating and challenging". Surprisingly, Dr. Sand
said, most of his academic colleagues in Israel have shied away from
tackling his arguments. One exception is Israel Bartal, a professor of
Jewish history at Hebrew University inJerusalem. Writing in Haaretz,
the Israeli daily newspaper, Dr. Bartal made little effort to rebut Dr
Sand's claims. Paradoxically, he dedicated much of his article instead
to defending his profession. He suggested that Israeli historians were
not as ignorant about the invented nature of Jewish history as Dr. Sand
contends. The idea for the book had come to him many years ago, Dr.
Sand said, but he waited until recently to start working on it. "I
cannot claim to be particularly courageous in publishing the book now,"
he !
 said. "I
 waited until I was a full professor". There is a price to be paid in Israeli academia for expressing views of this sort.

Dr.
Sand's main argument is that until little more than a century ago, Jews
thought of themselves as Jews only because they shared a common
religion. At the turn of the 20th century, he said, Zionist Jews
challenged this idea and started creating a national history by
inventing the idea that Jews existed as a people separate from their
religion. Equally, the modern Zionist idea of Jews being obligated to
return from exile to the Promised Land was entirely alien to Judaism,
he added. Zionism changed the idea ofJerusalem. Before, the holy places
were seen as places to long for, not to be lived in. For 2,000 years
Jews stayed away from Jerusalem not because they could not return but
because their religion forbade them from returning until the messiah
came…

The biggest surprise during his research came when he
started looking at the archaeological evidence from the biblical era.
"I was not raised as a Zionist, but like all other Israelis I took it
for granted that the Jews were a people living in Judea and that they
were exiled by the Romans in 70AD. But once I started looking at the
evidence, I discovered that the kingdoms of David and Solomon were
legends. Similarly with the exile. In fact, youcan't explain Jewishness
without exile. But when I started to look for history books describing
the events of this exile, I couldn't find any. Not one. That was
because the Romans did not exile people. In fact, Jews inPalestine were
overwhelming peasants and all the evidence suggests they stayed on
their lands". Instead, he believes an alternative theory is more
plausible: the exile was a myth promoted by early Christians to recruit
Jews to the new faith. Christians wanted later generations of Jews to
believe that their ancestors had been exiled as a punishment from God.
So if there was no exile, how is it that so many Jews ended up
scattered around the globe before the modern state of Israel began
encouraging them to "return"?

Dr. Sand said that, in the
centuries immediately preceding and following the Christian era,
Judaism was a proselytising religion, desperate for converts. This is
mentioned in the Roman literature of the time. Jews travelled to other
regions seeking converts, particularly in Yemen and among the Berber
tribes of North Africa. Centuries later, the people of the Khazar
kingdom in what is today south Russia, would convert en masse to
Judaism, becoming the genesis of the Ashkenazi Jews of central
andEastern Europe. Dr. Sand pointed to the strange state of denial in
which most Israelis live, noting that papers offered extensive coverage
recently to the discovery of the capital of the Khazar kingdom next to
the Caspian Sea . Ynet, the website of Israel's most popular newspaper,
Yedioth Ahronoth, headlined the story: "Russian archaeologists find
long-lost Jewish capital". And yet none of the papers, he added, had
considered the significance of this find to standard accounts of Jewish
history. One further question is prompted by Dr. Sand's account, as he
himself notes: if most Jews never left the Holy Land, what became of
them? It is not taught in Israeli schools but most of the early Zionist
leaders, including David Ben Gurion [Israel's first prime minister],
believed that the Palestinians were the descendants of the area's
original Jews. They believed the Jews had later converted to Islam. Dr.
Sand attributed his colleagues' reticence to engage with him to an
implicit acknowledgement by many that the whole edifice of "Jewish
history" taught at Israeli universities is built like a house of cards.
The problem with the teaching of history in Israel, Dr. Sand said,
dates to a decision in the 1930s to separate history into two
disciplines: general history and Jewish history. Jewish history was
assumed to need its own field of study because Jewish experience was
considered unique. "There's no Jewish department of politics or
sociology at the universities. Only history is taught in this way, and
it has allowed speciali!
 sts in J
ewish history to live in a
very insular and conservative world where they are not touched by
modern developments in historical research. I've been criticized in
Israel for writing about Jewish history when European history is my
specialty. But a book like this needed a historian who is familiar with
the standard concepts of historical inquiry used by academia in the
rest of the world".

*Jonathan Cook is a writer and journalist
based in Nazareth, Israel. His latest books are " Israel and the Clash
of Civilisations: Iraq, Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East"
(Pluto Press) and "Disappearing Palestine: Israel's Experiments in
Human Despair" (Zed Books). His website is www.jkcook.net  

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